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The second episode, broadcast on 12 October but filmed on 30 August 1969, is usually split up into the following components:

  1. Flying Sheep
  2. French Lecture on Sheep Aircraft
  3. A Man with Three Buttocks
  4. A Man With Two Noses
  5. Musical Mice
  6. Marriage Guidance Counsellor
  7. The Wacky Queen
  8. Working Class Playwright
  9. A Scotsman on a Horse
  10. The Wrestling 'Epilogue'
  11. The Mouse Problem

Of course, this superficial delineation overlooks entirely the momentous introduction of the Man in a Suit of Armour with a Chicken, the magnificent linking material and the masturbationary animationism.

So what I want to know is this...

How would you describe, critique, expand or rate any or, indeed, all of the above listed 'bits' or, indeed, any of the additional material present in the episode but not explicitly identified therein.

I did hope to post this thread immediately after my "Whither Canada?" thread, but I can't type fast enough.

Monty Python's Previous Episode

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Not that late: What do you think about the Mouse Problem? Obviously it was an euphemism, but do you think that 1969 people got it?

genji at 9:58 am October 14

Oh, yes. That would definitely have been understood by viewers in 1969.

I think it's typical Python - a very silly, charming and quite gentle facade that masks a biting mockery of the stupidity of prevailing homophobic attitudes.

What would be interesting to understand is how viewers in 1969 (especially homophobics) reacted to how it presented them.

Here Comes Another One at 10:03 am October 14

I agree with you, genji, but I just have to say, the tone of your comment sparks me off into a bit of Little Britain ...

*****
Lou: What Monty Python sketch do you want to watch, Andy?

Andy: I want that one!

Lou: What - Flying Sheep?

Andy: Yeah.

Lou: But your favourite one is the Mouse Problem.

Andy: THAT one!

Lou: But you love the Mouse Problem, Andy! You said it was a very silly, charming and quite gentle facade that masks a biting mockery of the stupidity of prevailing homophobic attitudes.

Andy: Yeah I know!

Lou: So which one do you want then?

Andy: Flying Sheep.
*****

Sorry. I just couldn't resist. :-p

genji at 8:47 pm October 14

Hehe. That's quite funny. It's almost exactly the same pompous tone.

Screaming Queen at 7:21 pm October 14

I LOVE Little Britain and I love Lou & Andy, so your post was great :)

Here Comes Another One at 7:27 pm October 14

*bows* Thank you, thank you.

Lvndr HppE at 6:59 am October 15

lol. Oh, Andy. My favorite is when Lou takes Andy to meet his new girlfriend, and Andy doesn't like her. So, he pretends that she has pushed his chair down.

Here Comes Another One at 7:32 am October 15

Oh, I remember that one! I think my favourite was 'Helsinki.'

Here Comes Another One: I first heard Flying Sheep on a cassette of my dad's when I was about 15, and Graham Chapman's character just cracked me up. I loved the idea of an intellectual country bumpkin, and he did it so brilliantly.

mrsCutout: So the Flying sheep sketch was one of the sketches I didn't immidiately get watching python for the first time.I mean I was quite young and I wasn't familiar with their sense of humor so I never paid much attention to it.However when I started watching the entire series again a few years later I thought it was a brilliant satire! Couldn't stop laughing.In a way Harold the flying sheep reminded me-but correct me if I'm wrong-of those people who are different,who want to do things out of the ordinary and with that they seem to gain power and change the way things are established.As a consequence the ones not profited by the changes(here is Chapman's character) try to quel(?) that person.
I don't know if this is something to worry about but I always was with the farmer and didn't like Harold so much haaha! But maby that's just because Grey is so adorable !

genji: I just noticed - the sign on the door says "Marriage Guidance Councellor". There's no such word as 'councellor'.

Not that late at 2:50 pm October 12

Do you realise that maybe you are the first straight man in history to see that typo?

Lvndr HppE: Wow. That is one epic cleevage shot of Carol.

genji at 12:21 pm October 12

Yeah, I did it to annoy Here Comes Another One. (Just kidding.) ;)

Shall I put your comment in with the 'Marriage Guidance Counsellor' sketch or with the show generally?

Here Comes Another One at 8:33 pm October 12

Ooh, you little stirrer! lol

Lvndr HppE at 1:03 pm October 12

Yeah, that comment is just for the "Marriage Guidance Councellor" sketch.

Lvndr HppE at 1:01 pm October 12

Well, if you want my opinion, I don't really like that sketch. I don't wanna be a stick in the mud, but I don't find marital infidelity funny. Now, the Wacky Queen and Working Class Playwright I love!

Not that late at 2:44 pm October 12

But the funny thing is not the marital infidelity, Arthur Pewty is!

If the sketch was Mr and Mrs Pewty talking to de MGC and he saying he suspected his wife... and then, he leaves and she makes out with Idle, it would be funny, yes, because he suspects and then we discover he is right, but the fun in this sketch is that he is talking (and talking about her) and not paying attention to her and what she is doing. Well, that's what makes me laugh.

Here Comes Another One at 8:25 pm October 12

Yeah, I agree - not that I like that sketch either, I think someone else said somewhere that it was too slow-paced & I agree. Tell you what I do like though: John Cleese as that weird cowboy person telling Arthur to 'be a man!' I missed that in the 'Now For Something Completely Different' version.

Lvndr HppE at 6:25 pm October 12

Wow, this is really serious to you, huh?

genji at 1:16 pm October 12

But you might as well say you don't find having a tape recorder up your nose funny, or a man hitting mice with big mallets, or a man getting married because he "hasn't had it in weeks", or a game show in which the first prize is a dagger up the clitoris, or crucifixion, or killing one's own father for his train ticket, or live organ donation, or execution by being chased by dozens of topless girls. It's funny because it's absurd and unrealistic.

If you're going to start taking offence at the offensive things Python portrays then there can't be much left to find funny.

Lvndr HppE at 1:50 pm October 12

Maybe its just that I've seen what marital infidelity does to a family. Its a personal thing. I can get the rest.

mrsCutout: So this takes time cause i can't type fast either! Wait for me!!

genji at 6:41 am October 11

Well, you don't have to do all the sketches at once - just as and when something occurs to you.

mrsCutout at 1:14 pm October 12

Οh that's great! Ok staring!

genji: Flying Sheep
A City Gent (Jones) and a Rustic (Chapman) pondering the effect Harold, a clever sheep, has had on the other sheep.

French Lecture on Sheep-Aircraft
A Frenchman (Cleese) and his compatriot (Palin) expostualte on their design for a sheep-aircraft, followed by some Pepperpots' opinions of French thinkers.

A Man with Three Buttocks
An interviewer (Cleese) delicately quizzes Mr. Arthur Frampton (Jones) about his extra cheek.

A Man with Two Noses
A man (Chapman) blows his noses.

Musical Mice
The compere (Palin) introduces Arthur Ewing (Jones) and his mouse organ.

Marriage Guidance Counsellor
Arthur Pewtey (Palin) and his beautiful blonde buxom wife (Carol Cleveland) seek marriage guidance advice from the counsellor (Idle).

Man in a Suit of Armour
'So Much For Pathos' as the Man in a Suit of Armour (Gilliam) hits Arthur Pewtey with a chicken.

The Wacky Queen
Queen Victoria (Jones) and Gladstone (Chapman) relaxing, narrated by Alfred Lord Tennyson (Palin).

Working Class Playwright
Ken (Idle), a miner, returns home to Hampstead from Barnsley to visit his Mum (Jones) and Dad, Frank (Chapman), a famous playwright.

A Scotsman on a Horse
The compere (Palin) introduces a Scotsman (Cleese) on a horse.

The Wrestling Epilogue
The presenter (Cleese) of 'The Epilogue - A Question Of Belief' introduces Msgr. Edward Gay and Dr. Tom Jack, who have agreed to wrestle to determine whether God exists.

The Mouse Problem
An interviewer (Jones) questions mouse/man (Cleese) about his mousey tendencies; the Amazing Kargol (Chapman) and Janet (Cleveland) present the psychiatrist's view; a selection of vox pops reactions (Idle, Cleese, Chapman, Jones); all as the Linkman (Palin) links.